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Blood transfusion: Letter of Understanding

by Marvin Shilmer in

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blood transfusion: letter of understanding .

today i added a new article to my blog that to the best of my knowledge is the first publication of a document put together for jehovahs witnesses by medical ethicists in cooperation with watchtower appointed hospital liaison committee members.

this document is very helpful in medical terms yet very explosive in theological terms for jehovahs witnesses whove been taught to resist blood transfusion as rape.

l p

Ignat: when i was 'in' i knew a jw mother and father that had a child that needed a liver transplant. This was before this letter.

The child had platelet transfusion and albumin transfusions. The parents didn't kick up a stink and make it hard for the doctors because they knew the doctors can override the parents very swiftly. And the mother told me that.

So it is a complete waste of time. The community needs to know and does know that doctors are obliged to save a minors life regardless of whether the parents want certain treatment or not

Lp

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Blood transfusion: Letter of Understanding

by Marvin Shilmer in

jw
friends

blood transfusion: letter of understanding .

today i added a new article to my blog that to the best of my knowledge is the first publication of a document put together for jehovahs witnesses by medical ethicists in cooperation with watchtower appointed hospital liaison committee members.

this document is very helpful in medical terms yet very explosive in theological terms for jehovahs witnesses whove been taught to resist blood transfusion as rape.

l p

Ignat: I work in the healthcare system as a senior nurse and care does not get compromised because the doctors can have a court order within an hour to give a child a blood transfusion if the parents were going to fight it. All the doctors need to do in Australian healthcare systems is get a second specialist doctors opinion that the child will founder without a transfusion and they can give the transfusion against the parents wishes - this is australian law.

my previous comment still stands bec all this process does is try to appease these religious zealots and takes valuable medical time away from the jobs they need to be doing that they already don't have time and resources for. This letter is not a change in care ...its just another time consuming and resource wasting step

Lp

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Blood transfusion: Letter of Understanding

by Marvin Shilmer in

jw
friends

blood transfusion: letter of understanding .

today i added a new article to my blog that to the best of my knowledge is the first publication of a document put together for jehovahs witnesses by medical ethicists in cooperation with watchtower appointed hospital liaison committee members.

this document is very helpful in medical terms yet very explosive in theological terms for jehovahs witnesses whove been taught to resist blood transfusion as rape.

l p

what is the point in having this. Parents should know that they can't refuse emergency/urgent medical treatment of a child that will lead to detrimental harm to the child (FULL STOP!)

having a nother peice of paper that shows that they allow the hospital to do this is a waste of time on the medical personnell to arrange a meeting discuss with social workers, nursing unit manager and parents - this is a huge waste of resources for something that is not changing how the system works. All the money spent on these high paying jobs for the hour or so meeting is unjustifiable not to mention that this is precious time taken out of reviewing other patients and keeping the flow of the hospital going as this impacts on all the other patients outcomes in the hospital the longer they are in the ED (increase in risk of death) and the wards (increase risk of infection and blood clots).

completely ridiculous

if i was a hospital administrator id tell them to stick it

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Do they still follow the same backwards policy on AIDS?

by Chaserious in

i was browsing through some of the boe letters (made available here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/243938/1/all-letters-to-elders-from-the-branch-1981-2012-boe) and came across the 3/15/96 letter about persons with communicable diseases.

it specifically mentions aids several times in the letter and seems to be primarily targeted at that population.

among other gems:.

l p

this f###ing borg makes my blood boil

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Do they still follow the same backwards policy on AIDS?

by Chaserious in

i was browsing through some of the boe letters (made available here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/243938/1/all-letters-to-elders-from-the-branch-1981-2012-boe) and came across the 3/15/96 letter about persons with communicable diseases.

it specifically mentions aids several times in the letter and seems to be primarily targeted at that population.

among other gems:.

l p

If the pool is chlorinated and tested before it is used and meets the appropriates standards set by the countries public health unit then there is no risk if the person does not have any wound, diarrhoea or bleeding.

It is not required to disclose such information.

This process is only there to set up for discriminatory behaviour of other members to the person infected.

I am a Clinical Nurse Consultant in Infection Control B.N, CIC, G.C.IC

This is purely discrimination and if the pool is chlorinated and kept appropriately id encourage person infected to sue.

Lp

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Do they still follow the same backwards policy on AIDS?

by Chaserious in

i was browsing through some of the boe letters (made available here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/243938/1/all-letters-to-elders-from-the-branch-1981-2012-boe) and came across the 3/15/96 letter about persons with communicable diseases.

it specifically mentions aids several times in the letter and seems to be primarily targeted at that population.

among other gems:.

l p

does anyone have any connections to find out for sure?

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Do they still follow the same backwards policy on AIDS?

by Chaserious in

i was browsing through some of the boe letters (made available here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/243938/1/all-letters-to-elders-from-the-branch-1981-2012-boe) and came across the 3/15/96 letter about persons with communicable diseases.

it specifically mentions aids several times in the letter and seems to be primarily targeted at that population.

among other gems:.

l p

i would hazard a guess that the pools arent chlorinated thats why the policy

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Do they still follow the same backwards policy on AIDS?

by Chaserious in

i was browsing through some of the boe letters (made available here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/243938/1/all-letters-to-elders-from-the-branch-1981-2012-boe) and came across the 3/15/96 letter about persons with communicable diseases.

it specifically mentions aids several times in the letter and seems to be primarily targeted at that population.

among other gems:.

l p

I agree with you they wouldn't be able to sue the individuals as its personal choice who you invite over. But they can sue the organisation for promoting this kind of discrimination which affects their ability to have a life and function normally within that group...there would be a case for that..

im not convinced the pools are chlorinated. Because they would fill them up during the morning talks. And then after adding chlorine they would have to test the level of chlorination before they let public in...thats part of the public health recommendations at least here in Australia. And our public health stuff is based on the CDC guidelines.

I got dunked in 1994 so maybe its changed since then

and i dont remember being asked a question about communicable diseases. Was i before this time?

Lp

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Do they still follow the same backwards policy on AIDS?

by Chaserious in

i was browsing through some of the boe letters (made available here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/243938/1/all-letters-to-elders-from-the-branch-1981-2012-boe) and came across the 3/15/96 letter about persons with communicable diseases.

it specifically mentions aids several times in the letter and seems to be primarily targeted at that population.

among other gems:.

l p

I got baptised a very long time ago. But from what I can remember I dont think the pool was chlorinated. Does anyone know if they chlorinate the pools?

Having said that the baptisimal pool would be considered a public pool and should be chlorinated according to public health recommendations.

I would understand not allowing someone with HIV/AIDS not being baptised in the communal pool if the pool is not chlorinated as a public health safety thing. BUT....someone with HIV/AIDS is entitled to confidentiality and mostly these patients will not divulge their infectious status. So how would the elders know to then organise for them to be baptised separately. So that means they should just do the right thing and chlorinate the pool and be done with it. There are other infections to be worried about that are spread in pools apart from HIV/AIDs..and they have a legal duty to prevent the spread of those infections just as much as HIV/AIDs anyhow. HIV/AIDs is not something I would be concerned about in a chlorinated pool with a person that is not bleeding/oozing or whatever.

see CDC website below: there are also other pages of info on this if you just click around the site.

http://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/swimming/pools/vomit-blood-contamination.html

As far as not inviting them to your home, this is outright discrimination and can be fought in the law courts. In hospitals we would place a HIV/AIDs patient in a 4 bedded room as long as they were continent, not bleeding, and no weeping wounds. So this means they would share the same toilet and shower facilities as the other patients. And Guess What?...if you were the patient in the 4 bedded room you would not know the other patient has HIV unless they told you (which would probably never happen).

Lp

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Of Bethel a Place of Homosexualiy,Drunkness,Psychotic Episodes,Brawls,Sucide,Immorality,Deceit, Control and Cynism

by Scott77 in

"...the intimacy with farm animals is true.

[beastiality], theft, homosexuality, drunkeness, psychotic episodes, brawls, suicide, immorality, deceit and control is all true.

the sad thing is seeing young women wanting to marry a bethelite thinking that she is getting the 'cream of the crop' and they are probably worse than a so-called worldly person...the cynicism was palpable...the most emotionally unhealthy environments to be a part of...socially disfunctional people..."wheres caleb?http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/scandals/218165/3/your-most-disturbing-watchtower-bethel-branch-experience-no-full-names-please.

l p

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